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VirginWorlds is a weekly news podcast covering Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (MMORPGs) such as World of Warcraft, EverQuest, Guild Wars, City of Heroes, Eve Online, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online and many many more. The VirginWorlds MMORPG Podcast is the flagship podcast of the VirginWorlds MMO Podcast Collective found at http://www.virginworlds.com

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VirginWorlds Podcast #25
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:00:00 GMT [download/play]



Topics: Dark Age of Camelot, Darkfall, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Eve Online, Sony Online Entertainment and World of Warcraft.

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Episode 25 Discussion Thread

'Missing magic' by pocosong
Submitted on 2006-08-21 17:29:15 CST
Hey Brent,

Still lovin' your podcast! Thanks so much for the high quality, informative show!

In your last show you mentioned that you were playing City of Villains, but you didn't know how long you'd play because you thought there was some magic missing from it. Being a big CoV fan, and currently the only MMORPG I play, it made me wonder...

Do you prefer fantasy MMORPGs over any other type of MMOs?

Personally, the only fantasy MMORPG that I've enjoyed playing so far is World of Warcraft. And when you announce a new MMORPG is coming out, I think to myself, please don't let it be another fantasy game with the same classes and races.

Can MMORPGers be catagorized into fantasy and non-fantasy fans, or am I in a minority not liking the endless supply of fantasy MMORPGs?

Thanks again!
Chris.



'Re: Missing Magic' by Jarimor
Submitted on 2006-08-21 21:46:04 CST
I think the development of MMORPG and the roots in D&D have associated the genre alomst inextricably to fantasy.
As the word "Comics" makes most people think of steroid users in lycra and capes, it is a medium defined by a genre, which is unfortunate.
I love good fantasy games and I would love to see good Sci-Fi, Horror, Historical and bleedin' existentialist MMORPGs to show how diverse the genres could be.
The problem is that even Sci-Fi that is so closely related to Fantasy as a genre, has struggled to be successfuly delivered in MMORPGs.
And WoW is of course the 600 pound gorilla sitting in the room.
I think it will take a game of a different genre to Fantasy to be so popular that it will lead others to imitate it, creating popular culture in the same way D&D and LOTR did, one with a niche market and one with mass market.
I guess MMORPGs are still a young breed and it is only with maturity that there will be a real divergence of theme and content.



'Comments 1' by jdun
Submitted on 2006-08-22 17:11:17 CST
The largest labyrinth in any MMO will becomes the most frustrating dungeon in any MMO. While I don’t know how they going to implement it I do know after playing Wizardry VII invisible labyrinth that I love to hate maze. Running in circle is not fun and hopefully they understand it. Big doesn’t equal more fun.

Well it seems that Darkfall is aimed at the hardcore players. I doubt it will get a lot of casual players into this game. If that is what they are aiming for then they probably will succeed. However, with that said it will have a low subscription in the USA but in Asia/Korea it might be different. It will be interesting to see if Darkfall will become a Grank ‘r Us MMO made up of ten years old kids.

I have to disagree with your comments on the death penalties. It is finial good to see that MMO getting rid of the death penalties once and for all. Compare to other gaming type, MMO basic game design still dated back to the 80’s MUD. I find that sad compare to other type of games that has made advances in gaming design. Today single players games took out a lot of frustrating designs that was in the 90’s and 80’s games. Death penalties are grind and grind is evil.

Five dungeons don’t seem that much to me. What killed DDO are force grouping and the lack of contents. If there isn’t much people playing then the chances are that a player will take quite a long time finding a group. Sitting for an hour doing nothing is not what I called fun. DDO did the right thing in terms of PvP balancing. DDO is a PvE and trying to balance out a PvP in a game that is based on PvE will be disastrous.



'Comments 2' by jdun
Submitted on 2006-08-22 17:11:40 CST
I take Vegas over the other two cities. If the SOE convention fails at least you can have sex and/or gambling as a plan B alterative. On the other hand I take sex and gambling over the SOE convention any time of the day.

I agree with your assessment on WoW competitive PvP system. WoW is an item based system and other then completely redesigning the game system will change that. WoW competitive system will not reach the same level as Guild Wars. Guild Wars systems was at the onset designed for competitive PvP. Don’t expect WoW new Arena system to even come close to Guild War but it doesn’t mean you won’t have fun.

Something is missing in CoV? That’s an understatement. CoH/CoV is a bad version of WoW in tights. It used to be a good game when you are allowed to be a Super Hero now you can’t defeat grandma without getting tried.

DDO is a failure. It doesn’t matter how much the company put ice cream on crap. It will still taste like crap. Their box sell honeymoon is over. They reached their subscriptions heights and now braced for a long draw out declined. The company in fact stated that it might make the game Free to Play.

NW2 is coming out this year and it looks like it is ten times better the DDO and has free online play. The only question I have is how many fanboys will jump ship after NW2 is released.

Yeah I am in a humorous mood today. Look forward to next week bashing.