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Witty Ranter #14
Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:00:00 GMT [download/play]

In this episode, Adam apologizes up front for apparently eating his mic during recording.  But past that, he brings Scott Hartsman, formerly of SOE and now working on a project at, Philip & Steven from The Warpath podcast, and last but not least we have Riknas from the Free Play podcast.  The discussion points today were about EULA's, TOS's and DRM.  EULA's came back into the news when Mark Jacobs at EA/Mythic said we had to read through it or accept it every time we logged in.  This is an important topic because EULA's are just as important to us players as they are to the companies.  Topics covered include:

-When you pay $50.00 for that CD Key & Client, do you own it? (You might be surprised at the answer)
-What protections do players get from the EULA vs the protections game companies have?  Is it a fair balance?
- We go into the history of EULA's, thanks to Scott and Stephen, who just happens to be getting into the field of contract law!  We also learn the exact percentage that attorneys lose their soul (apologies to all those attorneys who somehow managed to escape this process)
- And finally we go into some discussion on DRM, brought up from the little issue that showed up with Spore.
- Oh yeah, ohai's hiring!  Listen to the end of the show for details :)

Thanks for listening!  We're always looking for more iTunes reviews :)

Thanks again to Coldheat for supporting the show!  You sir, are most Witty :)

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Episode 14 Discussion Thread

'I have battled..' by mikejl
Submitted on 2008-10-14 11:14:26 CST
Many foes and creatures in many lands.. Azertoh, Middle earth, Hyboria, battle fields of War.. and the only thing that scares me is a EULA.

As for SPORE DRM ...

I have a cache of games I like to keep. Games with "replayability" (like Civ4, Battlefield 2, Team Fortress 2, Sins of a Solar Empire).

I will install and uninstall these games many times (I can easily say I have installed and reinstalled Civ 4 about six to eight times on two difference PCs). The DRM of SPORE does not work with this.

Bad DRM = NO SPORE for me.

'EULA's don't scare me... more concern me' by trollonfire
Submitted on 2008-10-14 11:50:02 CST
I'm all for businesses protecting their interest... it's why they went into business after all.

But MMO's are a unique beast in that even though you "own" your account, dropping 50 bucks on the client to get a CD Key... in every other game genre except this one, that's a purchase and the cd key is yours, in effect... not so with MMO's.

You rent everything... It's the equivalent of buying a car, dropping $20,000 to buy it, only to take delivery of the car, with a note saying:

"Thank you for purchasing this World of Toyota-Craft vehicle... please insert your credit card into the dashboard to activate the vehicle. Activation will cost you $125.00 per month, charged to your card. Enjoy your time in traffic!"

'interesting and fun ' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-10-14 19:29:26 CST
The thing I thought of when listening was this is actualy pretty good, I learned alot and you guys are interesting and fun with good guests even when talking about something useualy boring the EULA, Good Job!

About spore, i'm not sure what that DRM is all about, I will need to listen to the PodCast again.

Going to i-tunes to make sure I made a review of Witty Ranter now :)

'Punish those who follow the rules.' by SwollenBeef
Submitted on 2008-10-14 20:40:39 CST
The whole DRM issue can be likened to the whole gun control debate.

Take away guns from the law abiding citizens(those who bought spore), but who is going to take away the guns from the gang bangers? (pirates)