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Witty Ranter #8
Sun, 11 May 2008 06:26:00 GMT [download/play]

In this Episode, Adam invites Craig from Voyages in Eternity, John the Ancient Gaming Noob, Brenden from AnotherHere, and BeauTurkey, host of the Voyages of Vanguard podcast to explore the topic of "RP versus XP".  Can a MMO title have meaningful RP, or is everyone just so focused on the grind it just isn't feasible? (Hint: "Thee and Thou alone doth not a Roleplayer make!)  What the hell is Roleplaying anyways?  A discussion on that, as well as how MMO games can add these elements into the future so they can have an impact on the game.  Oh, and Craig gets jumped into the podcast gang-style for being late.  "Oh I'm sorry Mr. GM, those bruise marks were there already... he fell down the stairs... yeah!"

Oh, and Adam also offers free schwag for iTunes reviews!


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Episode 8 Discussion Thread

'Cool!' by Beauturkey
Submitted on 2008-05-11 22:13:02 CST
Thanks again for letting me talk over everyone for an hour. Thank god I didn't have more beer than I had.
But seriously, thanks! I met two new cool doods, and would look forward to meeting em again someday!
Rock on.


'Why do all dwarves sound like Scotty?' by Akely
Submitted on 2008-05-12 07:29:38 CST
I'm an old (still active) tabletop rpg'er myself and I found this very show interesting.

The RP I do in an MMO often limits itself to solo RP'ing. The hardest part with RP'ing in an MMO is the many other people that do not RP. I've lost count on the number of tells asking me if I'm over burdened when I walk. The amount of "you're an idiot" when I ask people if they are in a hurry closely equals that number.

I don't know what game developers could do to encourage RP'ing. I'm not sure they should. People usually RP for the fun of it, not to get some extra XP.

Looking forward to the follow-up on this.

'*waves* ' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-05-12 20:33:07 CST
First off, why wasn't I invited? WTH? Beau over me? =( Just kidding haha, but I do feel neglected. =/

Anyways, I think that a lot of PC games should put more role playing aspects into games. PlanetSide has added a few things like this that let you immerse into the game. Little events, etc. Also, I've seen Vanguard offer a few situations like this. One time while out hunting, a message went across the screen saying the undead were attacking Tursh. Tursh is a decently sized town on Thestra in Telon (Vanguard). A bunch of guilds showed up to help out, and it was A LOT of fun! I hope Vanguard continues to add events like these. They not only allow people to immerse into the game, but they also bring a sense of community into the game.

As a fellow larper, and pen and paper DnD player, I am always interested in seeing more RP aspects to games. I think that the best way to implement this would be to give the game a story. Sure, everyone will level up in different areas, and start in different areas.. doing different quests. I think that the BIO idea would be a great idea! Where the ingame BIO could slowly write a story for you as you level, and give other players some option to read your BIO, so they can see what you have accomplished. They could even add in some screen shots!

'... continued' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-05-12 20:33:24 CST
I, personally, feel that games need to have better story lines in order to allow the player to find themselves fully immersed. I relate a lot of things to Vanguard because it's the game I currently play full time, but I remember there used to be a quest line in CIS- Coterie Infineum Sanctuary (it's still there, but they changed it) where you had to actually read what the quest was about, etc.. and then the quest givers and NPCs would ask you questions or give you riddles about the area, and you had to answer correctly in order to pass.

I really loved the camp fire idea! That was neat. One could even have an enemy ambush while people were taking their turns watching. One way to really get people into RPing would be to allow them to have player cities, banks, etc etc. There are many many ideas to add into games to help out role players. I have added a few int he Voyages of Vanguard blogs.

I'm really shocked that Beau didn't mention the Voyages of Vanguard blog! ( =( I'm going to have to beat him up. ^_^

Well, keep up the good work!

~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard Co-host)

'Excellent Show' by Mashidin
Submitted on 2008-05-13 01:53:31 CST
Heya 0/

This was perhaps the most productive discution you've had to date Adam. I can't remember a time when you did not need to say "well I guess THIS is a hotly debated topic. I suppose we can get back to that one.." I actually felt there was a serious and shared discussion. RPing has always been a big thing with me while playing table-top games and I had always emphasized the "Role" over the "roll", even to the point of penalizing players that Min/Max'd their characters a tad too much in my opinion. Some just responded to all events with a monotonous "I swing at the (insert rp'd npc here) reguardless of the threat level and that just drove me crazy. Maybe it was all the work I put into developing the scene. Anyway, the group brought up two concepts that I'm not sure are the same but are connected and those are Rolplaying and Immersion. Roleplaying is more often playing a role other than your own (rl) and immersion is a sense that you (rl) are "there" within an environment. I believe that, more often than not, immersion is required for roleplay but roleplaying is not required for immersion. It seems what Beau is experiencing during his "Immersion Project(tm)" is a sense of his OWN wonder and not that of his character and he really is the only one involved. By contrast, Adam's LARPing does not involve a truely immersive setting (a mundane building) but the activity does seem to require playing a separate role and interacting with others (maybe this interaction is another form of immersion?) Just my thoughts on the discussion. Keep up the great round tables Adam and definitely try to get back to this subject. And for god sake get Luper on board! lol.

'Luper... come to the DARK SIDE!!!!' by trollonfire
Submitted on 2008-05-13 09:03:58 CST
Luper, email me @ We'll pull you in for round 2 of this discussion!

Thank you all for the comments... it's heartening to know that your material strikes a chord with the audience.

I agree with you Mash on the whole feeling of immersion being imporant. I think you can get periods of immersion, but it's hard to do all the time until we get the VR/full immersion set.

More comments please!

PS: iTunes reviews ftw! :)

'Muahahha' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-05-13 20:05:57 CST
Come to the dark side!? I'm a Dark Elf Blood Mage. I've been there, done that. =P

I tossed you an email. Hope you got it.


~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard Co-Host)

'Operation: iTunes Review... Comlpeted' by Mashidin
Submitted on 2008-05-15 13:02:01 CST
Shot you a quick well-deserved review, Adam. I was number 4.. looks like you have about 9 or so now. Way to go bro!

'Thank YOU!' by trollonfire
Submitted on 2008-05-15 16:27:22 CST
Thank you, all of you who have posted a review so far. It's very humbling to get such a positive response so quickly! Those of you who have left me a review on iTunes, again... please email me:

I'm keeping a list... checking it twice... drawing some names, for reviews Naughty & Nice

Santa Troll's Schwag is coming to YOUR TOWN!!!! *Maybe*