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Not Your Average Gamer - Episode 3: American Girl
Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:03:00 GMT [download/play]

This episode's topics:

- Been playing LOTRO, and also back in EVE!
- My humungous "pet peeve"
- A patriot before patriotism was cool
- Respect the uniform
- I am your stereotypical, arrogant American
- Why I play human characters
- What I'm Smoking: Joya de Nicaragua Celebracion Consul

This show's theme music is "Average Girl" by Paul Sobo.

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Episode 3 Discussion Thread

'I gave it another shot but...' by telstar
Submitted on 2008-07-18 02:50:12 CST
I sure hope you told your military friend you were going to tell the world about your conversation with him because you made him sound like a jerk and that wasn't fair to do in public. That should have stayed a private conversation.

Still not seeing the value in this podcast
Sorry (commence flaming)

'America f*** yeah !?' by Grim
Submitted on 2008-07-18 05:05:15 CST
There is a good reason why we don't allow politic / flag wavering / racial / sexual chest beating of any kind in my corp chat in eve online, its bound to get on someone's nerve and spiral down into the dung heap that is my dad is stronger then your dad mentality.

I think you might want to stop and think about what you just put out on this episode, I mean stop and think hard, really hard.

I will be looking forward to the next show, and if your rather big foot in your mouth can not be explained there, I wish you all the best of luck to keep any other listeners when your beloved Americans, if even that.

'Strangely listenable' by scytale2
Submitted on 2008-07-18 11:45:34 CST
Interesting insight into why many Americans are so self-focused. To some extent we are all a product of our upbringing. One would have thought that America would have been confident enough by now to trust its citizens to go out into the big wide world and not have to incorporate what can only be described as brainwashing into the school curriculum.

Good on you for highlighting it to yourself and best of luck in becoming a world citizen!

Oh and btw - your military friend did not sound like a "jerk" to me, just someone like yourself questioning what is really important and what we are told is important.

'Thanks' by Klojamir
Submitted on 2008-07-18 13:19:52 CST
Another great show, thanks Lady S.

'Great Show' by AdamW
Submitted on 2008-07-18 14:44:07 CST
Thanks for another great show. I enjoy listening to your ideas on being an American. For those of you shocked about what she discussed please try to understand that in the US we are not in a post nationalistic state and do not renounce our identity as a nation and for the most part are proud of it. I personally have a hard time understanding how other nations can give up their national identity.
As to the military friend, it is expected at least in some portions of this country that you do respect the symbols of our country for the ideals they represent. He wasn't a jerk he just didn't fit into the idealized image.
To Grim, This is a pod cast not corp chat. It is an outlet for those opinions and she is free to express them as she pleases and you are free to listen or not if you disagree.
So Lady Sinaea I mostly agree. Some wont and others won't understand. Keep being you!

')**(' by AlikSteel
Submitted on 2008-07-18 16:59:08 CST
what? did I hear American pride.
great show...keep them coming.

Alik Steel

'Wow...' by Mirage
Submitted on 2008-07-18 23:43:04 CST
Well, my JROTC class always did joke around that the Army failed. No offense to you Army people, it's a Marine thing, and when instilled in a bunch of's insane. I'm used to saluting the flag, because when in uniform, we usually do, though we're not required to, since most of us don't pass by a flag anyway, since it flies out infront of the school...but ANYWAY, I think it's odd that someone fighting FOR our country doesn't properly respect our greatest symbol. I'm prepared to join the military to fight for my country, and that flag is a symbol if what I'm fighting for, and I know it...

Other than that, great show Sinaea, and maybe I'll eventually reinstall LOTRO and come say hi! Oh, and EVE is awesome! I've played a few trials of it, and I thought it was cool.

'Grats on cast #3' by RogueSlayer
Submitted on 2008-07-18 23:49:07 CST
You can also consider your show hosting as sponsored now. :)

'Grats on cast #3' by RogueSlayer
Submitted on 2008-07-18 23:51:32 CST
You can also consider your show hosting as sponsored now. :)

'America' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-07-19 00:56:35 CST
I love what America stands for, and the rights that we are given. My only issue is with some of the people that consider themselves American.

Nice job on the anthem at the end Lady Sinaea.

~Luper (voyages of vanguard)

'Lady S. that was truly beautiful :)' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-07-19 01:59:22 CST
I love your show!!!!!!!

Lady S. that was truly beautiful at the end, what a wonderful voice you have too.

BTW... Oh yeah baby! Back in EVE!!!! whoooo hoooo!!!! :)

And your games and the way you talk about them is cool and interesting.

I like hearing about a persons life, to me that is part of every podcast out there.

It is awesome that you are proud and can have the guts to show it. and IMO that is so important in life. Not so easy with it being useful to show so much hate because of the want for power. And that hate becoming like a disease.

Some people want something different then fine go for it, but why hate?

And to everyone out there, IMO pride in your home family country, the world, being human etc.. are all great things and IMO lady S. had to say something, it is almost impossible to just sit and listen to someone hurt the thing you love.. And she is not putting him down, rather just saying how SHE feels. And who know how he got like that, personally I've noticed hate is contagious and Lady S. has got the guts to stand up for pride.

Can you imagine we might get a president of our united states that really does not like to put his hand on his heart for the national anthem? I mean a person who wants to be president? Crazy. I'll respect him if he becomes president but it doesn't make sense to me how he has acted so far. So she needed to let it out, what do you want us all to do, be the most depressed country in the world because some people feel so wonderful for hating their lives and them selves and hating their country because their too afraid to show people what pride is all about?

P.S. One more time... Oh yeah baby! Back in EVE!!!! whoooo hoooo!!!! :)

FarSpace stands up and puts hand on heart :) And yes I'm a proud American too :)

'Odd' by Sinaea
Submitted on 2008-07-19 05:14:33 CST
Did I say that my friend in the Army is a jerk? I don't think he's a bad person or anything, and am sorry if it came across like that. I did say that he wasn't very smart, but that was for a completely different reason. :)

Ah well. I knew that the topic was controversial when I began it. All I can say in my defense is that I was very up front about knowing how arrogant I am, and that I am certainly not being proud of that. At least I recognize it though. Maybe that's the first step in learning humility.

Maybe I said too much, put too many of my cards out on the table, laid out too many of my own flaws for all to see.

But no one can say I wasn't honest about being me.

'Game Time Cards' by Sinaea
Submitted on 2008-07-19 05:16:57 CST
Oh, and I forgot to say in the show... I'll probably mention it in the next episode. I have a few LOTRO time cards (I think they're 30-day codes) and am willing to trade for EVE time. :)

'Awe' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-07-19 05:44:19 CST
I thought you were going to offer them for someone who wanted to try LOTRO out. I've never played it. ^_^ hehe

All is good.

'Free Trial' by Sinaea
Submitted on 2008-07-19 05:46:08 CST
I know where you can get a 14-day trial.... Hee hee.

'grr' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-07-19 06:35:28 CST
I tried to respond and it didnt work =(

Again.. for the 8th time... *crosses fingers*

.... linkz, please =)

'pretty good for EVE and a little story.' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-07-19 22:02:15 CST
LOTRO is a pretty good game and you are willing to trade the cards for eve time cards, now THAT is saying something pretty good for EVE, :)

Yep EVE is lucky to have imo allot of interesting gamers playing at least some of the time, I mean I realize you can't play the same game all the time mostly.

P.S. here is a funny story about me luckily NOT trying to hit on a girl gamer :)

All these guys were totally hitting on her and then we all went to play pool together and man some guys were really embarrassed since actually, She was a guy, hehe. Although there was not team speak back then or even podcasts that I know of in 1985, btw it was on this BBS Multi player game called Trade wars if I remember correctly. I remember that we just went from planet to planet and harvest humans and used them on our own planet that had some big gun on it and we had one ship or something.

The GOOD thing was there actually WAS a few girls there at the pool hall that night. :) Just not the one every one was hitting on.

'"Damn that flag"??' by slashduel
Submitted on 2008-07-20 11:47:25 CST
Hello, I'm a active duty service member (9 years in the navy) and I've got to say that its pretty sad that your army friend feels that way about the flag of the country in which he is defending.

I remember my first year of being in the navy stationed at a training command most of the new sailors there had the mentality of "OMG lets run indoors before colors goes down so we don't have to stand outside and salute the flag!" and its always been a pet peeve of mine. Standing outside for a couple of minutes to render honors to your country's flag shouldn't be something that you should try to avoid IMO especially if your a service member.

By the way, when I say "colors" I'm referring to the act of raising the flag at 8am/lowering the flag at sunset in which case military members who are outdoors are supposed to face the flag and salute it. In the morning the Star Spangled Banner plays during the raising of the flag and at sunset Taps plays.

With that said I enjoyed the show and keep up the good work.

ps - Upgrade your computer and get Age of Conan! :)

'Luper!' by Ethic
Submitted on 2008-07-20 22:19:43 CST
Any current LotRO player can send out 14 day trial codes. I can send you one if you still need one. Just send me an email, find my contact info at

I have a few 30 day codes as well if you end up enjoying the game.

- Ethic

'oO Ethic!' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-07-20 22:21:23 CST =)

~Luper (Voyages of Vanguard)

'Luper!!!' by Ethic
Submitted on 2008-07-20 23:15:46 CST
Invite sent, check your spam folder if you don't see it.

'10 days' by Ethic
Submitted on 2008-07-20 23:17:16 CST
Sorry I guess it is only 10 days, not 14. But still.

'Thanks!' by Luper
Submitted on 2008-07-21 06:50:19 CST
It's okay. 10 days is fine. I am downloading it. ^_^

I will probably make my char "Luper" and see if I like it.

Thanks again!!

~Luper (VoV)

'American Thought Process' by CindyL
Submitted on 2008-07-21 16:15:20 CST
Great show shock full of good things to think about as usual.

The thing that is going to set you apart from the American that get on people's nerves is that you know how you are, you know you may have faults and yet you are still proud of your country and can admit freely without slandering yourself or government that there may be things to be adjusted.

It is great to have respect for people of station, but it is not so great to follow blindly without criticism and responsibility of one's actions. People of high station have much more then any of us on their shoulders and deserve a degree of decorum and respect, however if they make wrong decisions they should be held accountable and the people are the ones always have a right to call them on it. Criticism is as much a part of respect as is decorum. And I don't equal slander, name calling and such part of criticism either.

I'm a proud Canadian myself and I can tell you we also expect people to move here to speak or learn one of the official languages, but we are as whole very tolerant of other way of lives. I think if you moved here you might be very comfortable. Canadians often make fun of Americans and sometimes we even insult them whenever your government gets on our bad side, but for the most part you'd be hard put to find someone here who would blame individual Americans for that.

That said, I'm thinking you'll find a similar attitude in Britain, if you are yourself and keep being honest with an open mind I don't think you'll encounter very many problems at all. And as far as bigoted people go, you'd be one of my favorites. lol

'American Pride! (?)' by Xone
Submitted on 2008-07-21 17:45:46 CST
I like most everything Lady Sinea has put out thus far, however, I was a bit put off with this episode and from the sounds of it I wasn't the only one. I think the stereo-typical arrogant American sounding outlook is really what threw me. As communication becomes more efficient and travel faster, I would hope we would embrace a more global outlook.

If I moved to another country I would try and learn the language and just because some countries already English doesn't mean that I shouldn't try. Besides, you will know when they are talking about you (j/k). The same thing applies to people moving to the U.S. they should really learn English.

I am proud to be an American and yes I cover my heart when I hear our national anthem even though at that moment even most do not. I know this has been said before but they don't have too, it's not required. Thankfully we have been given certain rights by our constitution and our elected government which includes the right to dissent, to protest, and to criticize. I believe some of my ultra Patriotic country men/women forget that. Just because you feel someone passionately that should behave a certain way doesn't mean they have too.

Never the less, I am certainly waiting for EP 4 and I appreciate the time and effort that gets put into this show.

Take care,


'paper thin' by dannyboy15157
Submitted on 2008-07-23 19:07:57 CST
The host of this show will typically say something she knows is contravertial just to garner attention. This is a very childish tactic to draw you into listening to her show. No need for the fan boys to flame this will be the last episode i listen to and last post i will make regarding this show.

'Best podcast yet' by kalvin
Submitted on 2008-07-23 20:34:07 CST
I think this was her best podcast. I agree with her in many respects about being American. I served my country in the Air Force in Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I am proud of my country and proud to say I am an American. I have traveled alot overseas to other countrys and I can say for certain: Ther is no place like home. Love us or Hate us but no doubt about it WE are the Greatest Nation on Gods green earth.

'pride' by Sente
Submitted on 2008-07-24 10:16:59 CST
"Ther is no place like home. Love us or Hate us but no doubt about it WE are the Greatest Nation on Gods green earth"

A lot of people would agree and say that themselves. Of course, the actual nation they refer to might be different and the name of their deity might be different, if they believe in one.

There is no absolute truth here, just what we carry with ourselves. The key is to respect the one in others as well as our own.

'Agreed, Sente!' by Sinaea
Submitted on 2008-07-24 15:55:35 CST
I agree with you completely, Sente.

'pride' by kalvin
Submitted on 2008-07-24 19:27:15 CST
I do agree with you, Sente. Its because you are free to worship whatever diety you choose, your freedom of speech that makes this country unlock any on earth.

'ops' by kalvin
Submitted on 2008-07-24 19:28:26 CST
Lol I meant to type unlike any on earth. Long day at the hospital, just got off a 16 hour shift, sorry.

'Patriotism gone mad..' by scytale2
Submitted on 2008-07-25 07:25:13 CST
Without wanting to put words into Lady Sinaea's mouth, I would suggest that she is starting to describe America's self indulgent patriotism gone mad. It has become the sand into which the ostrich buries its head.

A little patriotism is no bad thing, of course, but years of being completely isolated from the rest of the world (and proud to be so) in an Eden, perpetuated by deliberately creating patriotism and isolationism under the guise of "freedom and capitalism", leaves many Americans mystified at why the rest of the world knows about Hollywood, Disneyland and nothing much else.

Recently I see many Americans realising that their role is about giving back what was taken from the impoverished parts of the world these past few hundred years. Unfortunately you also see young people mocking these insightful people for stepping away from the capitalist line.

One would never criticise a loyalty to one's country, unless with it is developed an ignorance of how that country fits into a global community and that there is no "pecking order", simply equal roles for all, equally valued.

'not American' by Sente
Submitted on 2008-07-25 14:36:01 CST
Kalvin, I am not American and I have no desire to move and live in the US. So I would not agree that freedom of speech or worship is something unique to one country.

But these rights are certainly something that should be defended, universally.

'Another arrogant American here' by Deadron
Submitted on 2008-07-28 20:38:52 CST
I haven't even finished the podcast yet, but I had to come and comment, since I knew you were likely to get some crap for expressing positive feelings about your country.

Unfortunately I live in a part of the country where, both at work and around my home, anyone who heard feelings like what you've said in this podcast would become indignant and angry. For as much as people around the world may believe that Americans are all ra-ra patriots, the sad truth is that all too many Americans sincerely believe that everything wrong with the world is because of America. An odd corollary to this is that these people tend to ignore any problems in the world not caused by America (how many could name a war going on that isn't Iraq, for example?), but that's another discussion.

I appreciate your expressing your feelings, and hope you don't let anyone intimidate you out of simultaneously being proud of your country while being aware of its flaws.

'Civics 101 (Do they still teach that?)' by Grimjakk
Submitted on 2008-07-28 23:46:30 CST
Just a pedantic point from my 20+ year old civics class... we aren't "given" any rights by the Constitution. We were "guaranteed" those rights.

A sublte difference, but an important one. The Founders believed that certain rights were natural, or God-given and that as those rights weren't granted by Government, they could not be justly revoked by Government.

200 years ago, that was a pretty gutsy stand.

Thank for a great show, Lady S.

'Swisher sweets mmmmmm yeahhh...' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-09-04 00:22:56 CST
Is it wrong? To love those cheep machine made wooden tipped cherry cigars they sell at the convenient store.

I remember when my friends and I used to walk in the middle of the street late at night smoking those cheep cigars you get at the 7-11 store.

Yeah baby, those were the nights,... freedom. : )

look down the web page here a bit and you can see what i'm talking about,

Swisher Sweets Cherry Tip Cigarillo

oh my, they got strawberry now!!!! since when? this is cooool.

'@telstar' by BurntSushi
Submitted on 2008-09-12 18:05:28 CST
I totally agree with you.

I fail to see the purpose of this show, other then someone's inane ramblings trying to envoke contention.

But hey, look there is a bright side to it. Seems like she is podfading.

'imo and come back please, how about having a guest too?' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-09-12 20:05:07 CST
1st of all, all of you are right because it is your opinion, and I can respect that, and here is my opinion.

I think we are allowed to talk about something we do not like that someone or something or some MMO company did, and say it on the internet?

And I think an EVE corp. chat is different then a podcast we do not have to listen to. That is a virtual corporation were you have to adhere to rules because people have to look at it for corp. info etc...

Even if someone said terrible things about the U.S. then I personally would if I felt like it just politely ask them why or maybe gave my opinion, most of you did that here so I'm not saying anything about anyone, I'm just saying it is fine if some one wants to stress their opinion good or bad about the U.S.

The U.S. IS the entire world in a way, people from the entire world live here, it is a melting pot. So the U.S. represents the world in a way. So we are all allowed to say our opinions good or bad, and since we do not have to listen to this pod cast then this form here is fine imo.

Also please can you come back and tell us more about the life of someone who is not the average gamer please, Sinaea? Have you played any more games? How about having some guests?

'Upcoming' by Sinaea
Submitted on 2008-09-12 20:44:12 CST
I don't really foresee having guests on the show, but I do have a bunch of audio that I got from PAX. It's mostly Guild Wars related, so next episode will probably be a GW-centered theme.

'Awesome, and I just got a GW trial key :)' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-09-12 23:47:44 CST
Oh yeah that's all good. and I got a free trial for the full game too. I got it for joining up into CoX, I'm getting dizzy. :) so many MMO's so little time.

Oh gosh, I'm starting to like all the MMO's, I can't decide any more, good thing virginworlds is around.

And PAX? That is so awesome, because especialy I will like to hear our comentary on it too.

'hehehe, I make no sense ' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-09-12 23:51:48 CST
I meant ike to hear YOUR comentary not OUR, haha, I make no sense sometimes, who am I kidding it is most of the time :)

ok ok I'm going to go to slepp now, ZZZZzzzzzZZzzzzz

'What a whammy of a first episode' by Vroshnak
Submitted on 2008-09-18 10:28:44 CST
Little did I know that the gaming podcast I put on my car stereo for my drive to work was going to be short on gaming or even gaming lifestyle, and heavy on patriotism.

I'm glad that your Sea Cadets have taught you respect for yourself and your country.

But these feelings you have about how other people should feel scare me a little. If other people don't show respect towards the flag, the presidency, or even the country they happened to be born in, that doesn't mean they have a problem. It's their life. If you have a problem with it, then you are the one with the problem.

The question then becomes what are you going to do about the anger you feel towards other people who don't respect what you respect. Ignore them? Talk to them? Get angry and resentful? I don't know what the answer is, you have to decide what to do, but it sounds like you've chosen to be angry and resentful at people who don't have your values.

On another note, I used to live in Vegas, and those people are there to gamble not listen to the crummy house rock band. I stand for the national anthem at a ballgame, sure, but a silly rock version in a casino (where nothing is genuine anyways)? It would be like going up to a guy in an Uncle Sam outfit selling tax evasion information and saying it is an honor to meet him. So if I was there, I can promise you I wouldn't stand up. Should I be run out of the country? Am I a bad American? Can you say that while knowing absolutly nothing else about me?

'Keep going!' by Token
Submitted on 2008-10-19 10:33:39 CST
Keep going Lady Sinea, we need more controversy. When you was talking about that bloke who you were trying to keep at a distance, that was gold.